Ok Ladies, let's start another topic. I've heard this one discussed many times and some of the discussions have been heated. I don't want tempers to flare, I want us to have some good discussion on the topic. We may not always agree with one another, but then how many sisters do see things exactly the same way? Ok, here we go!

22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Ephesians 5:22-24

This is one passage of Scripture I've heard a lot of women either avoid or disagree with, especially if they don't feel their husband is a good leader. :roll: I've also heard women say that if their husband isn't a Christian that this passage doesn't refer to them and they don't have to be submissive to their non-believing husband. :? I'd like to hear what the ladies here on LLM have to say about the subject. Are we to be submissive to our husbands or not? Does it matter if the husband is a believer or not? What do you think?

Remember, I'll be asking you to have some Bible passages to back up your belief, so if I ask you for them, please don't get offended. :) I think it's important for us to get into the habit of using God's Word to back what we say.

Let the discussion begin! I love chatting with my sisters in Christ! I don't have any biological sisters, so I enjoy my time with you ladies immensely! God bless you! :D

Oh, this should be good... :o

LOL! Yes, I thought this should be a very good topic for discussion, and am hoping that some of my SISTERS in Christ, will present their views on this subject. Thank you for commenting, Pastor David, now...er...I think this is the section of the forums set aside for the "Ladies." :lol: 8-) ;) God bless you my Brother! :D

This is a tough one for sure....and we all know what circumstances can make it so.
I'm sure it's just as tough for a husband to always love his wife as Christ loves the Church.

Yes, I'm sure it is tough for a husband to love his wife as Christ loved the church at times. :) This is not an easy subject no matter how you look at it, but one thing I do know is that when the husband acts in the role that God has placed him in, it is much easier for the wife to be submissive to him. Let me know your thoughts Christy. :D

In speaking to Eve, the LORD God said in Genesis 3:16 "and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

This is part of the curse that women in Christ need to overcome; that the woman's desire will be to rule her husband, but in God's order the husband will rule over the wife. Tough stuff.

However, this wasn't tough at ALL just 100 years ago! What has caused the biggest breakdown in society, is exactly this. After thousands of years of genetic stamping, women reversed in the last 50. Think about this. ;)

Hmmm....I knew that part of the curse that came from the fall was that a woman would want to rule over her husband, but I hadn't really thought about how it seemed that women wanted to dominate men more starting in the 50's....I've been thinking about this one for awhile before trying to come up with an answer to post. The sexual revolution actually began in the late 40s and Playboy magazine began in the 50s, so there was a detrimental slide coming into our country in that realm. The media began playing a major role in the lives of Americans and in the 50s we see more women leaving their role as a housewife and heading down the path of a career out of the home. As women began to realize that they could provide for themselves perhaps they saw little need to submit to the demands of their husbands...that's just a thought....

I know that in the 60s many women did work outside the home. My mother did not and was often told, "Well, since you don't work..." which made my mother furious. She'd tell them what do you mean I don't work, and would spew off all of the things she did plus add...AND to top that off I have ALL of your children at my home since there's no one at home for them!" I will add that it was my father's desire that my mother stay home and take care of us, and at times I think she wished she did work outside of the home, but she did submit to my father's wish.

As I'm thinking about all of the changes that happened in our society since the late 40s, I can't help but think that many revolutions began during that time...all ended up attacking the union between a husband and wife and the family unit. Hmmmmm.....very interesting. Let me ponder this some more and I'll get back to you...even though this is suppose to be the "Ladies" forum! LOLOL ;)