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Revelation 12:7 , "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels going forth to war with the dragon; and the dragon warred and his angels.”

The initiative here will be taken by Michael, and NOT by the Dragon: a very important point in the interpretation. The time has come in the Divine counsels for this great event of the ages. Satan, who has up until now had access to the heavens is at length to be cast out.

Now, pay attention here, we are NOT to think of Heaven as consisting of one place. The word is so often used in the plural, that, though we can not adopt the teachings of Jewish tradition, yet we are to think of many (it may be) different spheres or dimensions. As the heavens are "higher than the earth," so we may look on them as being larger than the earth. And as the earth is divided into various countries and states, so may heaven have its various divisions. In one of them these mighty spiritual forces set themselves in battle array.

On the one side we have Michael, who is elsewhere described as "one of the chief princes" (Daniel 10:13 ); "your prince," that is, of Israel (Daniel 10:21 ); "the great prince which standeth for thy (Daniel's) people" (Daniel 12:1 ); "the archangel" (Jude 9 ). He, it is, with his heavenly hosts, who makes war against the dragon, and it is NOT the dragon who makes war against the man-child (as is so often taught). What the dragon DOES do is make war against the woman, as we see in Revelation 12:13 ; and THAT war is made on earth and NOT in heaven. Now mind you...The Body of Christ, the Church of God in this current Dispensation of the Mystery, will be removed LONG BEFORE these judgment scenes commence; and is therefore not to be looked for in any place in these events.

OK, back on point, now, on the other side we have the Beast of Revelation 13 and Revelation 17 . In Daniel 2 we have these powers in their earthly, human, mortal, successive and historical form. But in Daniel 7 , and in the Book of Revelation, we have the superhuman revival and the existing, or occurring in the same period of time, concentration of them in the Beast.

Take note, the Dragon's dominion covers all the powers and governments of the world, which are here seen included in and controlled by one being, THE DRAGON. The sovereignty of the world is about to become the sovereignty of our LORD and of His Christ, as we have just heard it announced "in heaven" (Revelation 11:15 ). We are here shown the source and the embodiment of his sovereignty. This is why the prophecy is suspended just at this point (Revelation 11:15 ). It is in order to explain to us (in Revelation 12 thru Revelation 15:8 ) what this sovereignty is, whence it comes, and whither it goes. All is here gathered up into one head.

NOW, the Connection with 2 Thessalonians 2:6-9

In 2 Thessalonians 2 we find further information as to the rise of this final embodiment of Satanic power. There we are clearly told that the revelation of that awful being has an appointed season. HE CANNOT ARISE BEFORE HIS TIME. We are told why and how this is. In Revelation 12 we have the events which lead up to that revelation, and in Revelation 13 we have the actual manifestation of the Beast himself.

2 Thessalonians 2 therefore forms a very important link when studied in connection with Revelation 12:7 thru Revelation 13 . There we learn that the Beast could not be manifested on earth as long as he ("he" here is in the masculine) now holdeth fast (to his place in the heavenlies, Revelation 12:7 ). This is the meaning of the word "letteth" or "holdeth fast", as is clear from its use in the other epistle 1 Thessalonians 5:21 ("prove all things, hold fast that which is good"). (Here are all the occurrences of the word, so that you and all members of the Lion and Lamb Ministry may judge for yourselves: Matthew 21:38 ; Luke 4:42 ; Luke 13:15 ; Luke 14:9 ; John 5:4 ; Acts 27:40 ; Romans 1:18 ; Romans 7:6 . 1 Corinthians 7:30 ; 1 Corinthians 11:2 ; 1 Corinthians 15:2 ; 2 Cor. 6 ;10; 1 Thessalonians 6:21 ; Philemon 13 ; Hebrews 3:6 ; Hebrews 3:14 ; Hebrews 10:23 .)

THEN, He Will Hold IT Fast Until He Be Cast Out

This casting out is described in Revelation 12 , and we are here told exactly how it will take place, and what will be its causes and consequences. When the Apostle Paul wrote, worldly power was then being used, and has all along been used by Satan for the accomplishment of his secret purposes; and it is still working today, but here (in Revelation 12 ) we see it come to a head, and Satan is about to openly manifest it.

In the Meantime, "Ye know WHAT (neuter, or neutral, gender) holdeth HIM (the lawless one, the antichrist) fast, that he (the lawless one, the antichrist) may be revealed in his time."

The Apostle Paul could write this, and in this way, to the church of the Thessalonians, because he had previously told them and THEY KNEW; but WE DO NOT KNOW. All WE know is that it CANNOT be a person who holds the lawless one fast, BECAUSE the word is in the neuter, or neutral, gender. THEREFORE, it can only be a PLACE, and we suggest that it is the pit of the Abyss, (NOW go read Revelation 9:1-2 , and Revelation 9:11 ), out of which he (the lawless one) is to ascend.

In any case, the popular view cannot be correct. The popular view which makes it of the Holy Spirit. So, now we have to ask, what does the Holy Spirit "hold fast" (1 Thessalonians 5:21 ) in order that the lawless one may be revealed in his appointed time? This idea arose from a wrong translation of the verb "katecho", which means to hold something fast. Above you have all of the occurrences of this word.

That wrong translation of both the AV. and RV. arises from ignoring the fact that the verb is TRANSITIVE, and MUST have an object. SOMETHING must be held fast. Then, further confusion is also introduced by not preserving the important difference between the genders, which is NEUTER in 2 Thessalonians 2:6 ("THAT which holds him fast"), that is, the Pit of the Abyss; and MASCULINE in 2 Thessalonians 2:7 ("HE who holds something fast," that is, his position in the heavenlies.

What Have We Learned

At the first advent the announcement was made "on earth, PEACE." But now, at the time of the Second Advent, it is "in heaven, WAR"; because the Dispensations have changed. At the return of the remnant from Babylon, Satan was present to resist the restoration of the Nation (Zechariah 3:2 ), and was rebuked. So it will be again when the great restoration is about to take place: but this time war will be declared against him.

So, to review, 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 , "And now ye know what (The Abyss) withholdeth that he (the lawless one, the Antichrist) might be revealed in his (the lawless one, the Antichrist) time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he (the Dragon, Satan) who now letteth (katecho: holdeth fast) will let (continue to katecho: hold fast), until he (The Dragon, Satan) be taken out of the way (cast out Revelation 12:7-9 ) . And then shall that Wicked (the lawless one, the Antichrist) be revealed, whom the LORD shall consume with the Spirit of His Mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming"

The mystery connected with this conflict is easy understand by the Faith, yet very difficult for us to reason through. However, a little insight is given into these spiritual realities in such passages as Job 1 ; Job 2 ; 1 Kings 22:19-22 ; Daniel 10:9-13 ; Ephesians 6:11-12 ; and Jude 6 .

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In Ephesians 1:13 the Holy Spirit through the Apostle Paul declares that men are saved and sealed by hearing and BELIEVING the Word of Truth, the Gospel of your Salvation. Therefore, here, now, is declared unto you the Word of Truth, the Gospel of your Salvation: "that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures" 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 . BELIEVE today. The time is short.

So There You Have it!

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Grace be to you and peace, from God: our Father, and The LORD Jesus Christ.

In The LORD Jesus Christ,
The Lion and Lamb Ministry

Pastor David Picos, D.D.
Minister and Ambassador for Christ in the Ministry of Reconciliation (2 Cor. 5:18-20 )

 

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# jmerrick67 2011-03-08 14:20
OK Brother David You got me again! lol That you for that instruction on katecho. Awesome video and article! My only question is this, when does this war in Heaven happen? The view I understand is that the war takes place in the middle of the 7 year trib right before the last 3 1/2 years. Can you please explain this?

Grace and peace

correction: "that you" was supposed to be "thank you"

Wait a minute, does this mean all the events spoken of in 2 Thess. are post-rapture? including the falling away? Starting to get confused here lol
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# jmerrick67 2011-03-08 14:15
It seems that the war in Heaven must take place during or immediately after the rapture. It never made sense to me that this war would be in the middle of the 7 years, as I understood that the Body would reign in the heavenly places currently occupied by the principalities and powers. I guess Revelation isnt as chronological as I thought!
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# PastorDavid 2011-03-08 15:08
Dear Brother Jim,

Chronological order? Yes and no. Let me sort of explain

The Seals, which we find in The Book of Revelation 5:1-8:6 , I believe, based on the events resulting from the breaking of the Sixth Seal, Revelation 6:12 , are a SUMMARY of ALL the Divine judgments which will usher in the Day of the LORD: including the whole of "The Tribulation," and leading up to the End: the last "seven years," and "the great day of His wrath." Therefore, they cover the whole period of the Day of the LORD in BROAD outline.

Then there are the Trumpet Judgments and the Bowl or Vial Judgments. What I want you to see is that the whole of this great judgment period, covered by the Trumpets and Vials, is given in two pairs of alternate Visions of events "in Heaven" and "on Earth."

First we have the 2nd Vision "in Heaven" (Revelation 8:1-6 ) consisting of the Opening of the Seventh Seal. Then we have the 2nd Vision "on Earth" (Revelation 8:7-11:14 ) which shows the effects of this opening, which the scripture goes on to tell us are the first Six Trumpets. Next we have the 3rd Vision "in Heaven" (Revelation 11:15-19 ) consisting of the Sounding of the Seventh Trumpet. Then the 3rd Vision "on Earth" (Revelation 11:19 ) consisting of the effects of this sounding.

Now follow me on this, we are then, in Revelation 12 , taken BACK to a time PRIOR to Revelation 4 . At this point the sequence of the Trumpet and Vial judgments is broken in order to INSERT this parenthetical break, and give us the additional information. Now, bear in mind that the Trumpet and Vial judgments are continuous once they begin. It is only the description of them which is interrupted, in order to allow the necessary information to be given which shows the necessity for them. This parenthesis begins at Revelation 12:1 and is carried on to Revelation 15:8 .

Then the description of the Vial Judgments is taken up and continued, giving the results "on Earth" of the sounding of the Seventh Trumpet. These Vial Judgments are then continuous from Revelation 16:1 through Revelation 18:24 , which ends their mission, accomplishes their object, and issues in the Revelation of The LORD Jesus Christ, from Heaven in power and great Glory as we then see in Revelation 19 .

Ok, next I will look to answer your question as to the timing of the War in Heaven.
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# PastorDavid 2011-03-08 20:23
Dear Brother Jim,

Praise the LORD these discussions have led to another message.

The War in Heaven of Revelation 12: When will it take place, at

lionandlambministry.com/.../...

Grace be to you and peace, from God: our Father, and The LORD Jesus Christ.

Pastor David
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# SonShine 2011-03-08 19:04
Pastor David, this message is so important and has opened up my understanding of the book of Revelation! The first time I watched the video on the War in the Heavens, I had to watch it over and over, and now having a written version of the message along with the video, my mind is turning once again.

Thank you for bringing out the fact that the Scriptures say "Heavens" not Heaven. For a long time I picture Heaven as just a place, a large place, but I did not think of it as being several dimensions nor that it could be divided up similarly to the way the earth is divided up into nations. Makes perfect sense.

The part that totally blew me away though was realizing that Paul was referring to a place in 2 Thessalonians 2:6 and not a person. I had always been taught and believed that the verse referred to the Holy Spirit, but the Holy Spirit is NOT a what! How I missed that one word in interpreting the verse is beyond me. One little word can make SUCH a huge difference in the way a verse is interpreted. I could go on and on about what I learned in this one lesson alone! Didn't think about Satan having a place in the heavens either...I should have, because we see him discussing Job with God in the book of Job.

So much to study and digest! Just when you think you've finished with the message, the Holy Spirit causes something else to pop up that needs to be studied and digested.

God bless you, Pastor, and may the LORD continue to use you mightily in the teaching of the Holy Scriptures!
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# jmerrick67 2011-04-01 22:08
I believe the "falling away" in 2 Thess. 2:3 is a reference to the Rapture. That it cannot be a reference to apostasy should be obvious, but I will point it out.

The definite article is used here, so it could be rendered "THE falling away" or better "the departure". Here is a quote fom Dr. Ice's article on apostasia(the link is posted later) about the use of the definite article in greek -

"Since the Greek language does not need an article to make the noun definite, it becomes clear that with the usage of the article reference is being made to something in particular. In II Thessalonians 2:3 the word apostasia is prefaced by the definite article which means that Paul is pointing to a particular type of departure clearly known to the Thessalonian church.

Dr. Lewis provides a likely answer when he notes that the definite article serves to make a word distinct and draw attention to it. In this instance he believes that its purpose is "to denote a previous reference." "The departure Paul previously referred to was 'our being gathered to him' (v. 1) and our being 'caught up' with the Lord and the raptured dead in the clouds (1 Thess. 4:17)," notes Dr. Lewis.[8] The "departure" was something that Paul and his readers clearly had a mutual understanding about. Paul says in verse 5, "Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?"

The use of the definite article would also support the notion that Paul spoke of a clear, discernable event. A physical departure, like the rapture would fit just such a notion. However, the New Testament teaches that apostasy had already arrived in the first century (cf. Acts 20:27-32; 1 Tim. 4:1-5; 2 Tim. 3:1-9; 2 Pet. 2:1-3; Jude 3-4, 17-21) and thus, such a process would not denote a clear event as demanded by the language of this passage. Understanding departure as the rapture would satisfy the nuance of this text."

As apostasy has always existed, it makes it worthless as a "sign" of the coming Day of the Lord.

Here is the link I mentioned to the great article concerning Apostasia being "the Departure" : pre-trib.org/.../...

This understanding along with your views presented here about the "restrainer" make a nice structure, possibly an inversion. check this out:

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day(the Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come ...

1. The Departure--the removal of the Church from earth to Heaven - 2 Thess. 2:3

2. The man of sin is revealed in his human stage. This corresponds to the breaking of the first seal of Revelation, the fulfilling of Dan. 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week..." - 2 Thess. 2:3

3.The removal of Satan from Heaven to earth - 2 Thess. 2:7 (the inversion of no. 1)

4.The revelation of the Antichrist in his superhuman stage after he is indwelt by a fallen angel who is released from the Abyss - 2 Thess. 2:8,9 (Rev. 9:11?)

All this fits together so well and seems to reflect an accurate rendering of the greek text. (or else maybe Bullinger is in Heaven rolling his eyes at me LOL)

Grace and peace!

Thank you for the encouragement Brother David! And the site looks great! Have a great night!
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# PastorDavid 2011-04-01 21:41
Dear Brother Jim,

Excellent Job laying this out. In 2 Thessalonians 2:3, the Apostle Paul uses Apostasia WITHOUT a clarifier! That is critical to understand, as I believe you do. The example WITH a clarifier is 1 Timothy 4:1, "depart FROM THE FAITH".

And I think Bullinger is smiling. Not that he would care about what you and I think, as he is in the presence of God, taking it on the chin for teaching soul sleep...LOL.

Grace be to you and peace, from God: our Father, and The LORD Jesus Christ.

In The LORD Jesus Christ,
The Lion and Lamb Ministry

Pastor David Picos, D.D.
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# jmerrick67 2011-04-01 22:09
Do you think Abaddon is the angel who indwells the antichrist from Rev.9? Im having a little prob with that timing
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# PastorDavid 2011-04-01 22:11
@Brother Jim...Yes, and tell me the difficulty you are having with the timing.
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# jmerrick67 2011-04-02 10:23
Brother David, unless Im misunderstanding the timing, the release of Abaddon seems to happen before the war in Heaven

I am struggling with an issue of timing again. This one involves the three Woes. The first Woe begins in Rev. 9:1, and the "star falling from heaven" is supposed to be Satan falling as a result of the war in Heaven. Yet the third Woes is supposed to be Satan's casting out, and these woes are supposed to be subsequent! Is the star in verse 1 not Satan?
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# PastorDavid 2011-04-01 22:36
Brother Jim, all through Scripture the Holy Spirits "style" (if you will) of writing appears to be to give the broad overview of the information being given and THEN go BACK and give the details.

The whole section of Scripture, Revelation 12-15, is not only parenthetical, but is a good example of historical, or, rather, prophetic hysterologia. Great word...lol. It is a form of hyperbaton, (hyperbaton is a literary device, a transposition or inversion of usual word order. The device is often used in poetry), by which the events, though written down later, took place earlier than those which immediately precede in historical narration. That is to say, that what we have in Revelation 12-15 is a prophetic record of events which will take place BEFORE Revelation 6, and will LEAD UP to, and and then RUN PARALLEL with, what is recorded in Revelation 6 onward.

in Revelation 12, we are taken back to a time prior to Revelation 4. So now understand that at this point the sequence of the Trumpet and Vial judgments is broken in order to insert this parenthetical break, and give us the additional information. Keep in mind that in actuality, The Trumpet and Vial judgments are continuous once they begin. But here following Revelation 11, it is only the description of them which is interrupted, in order to allow the Holy Spirit to present the necessary information. It is this information which shows the necessity for the Judgments. This parenthesis begins at Revelation 12:1 and is carried on to Revelation 15:8.

Beginning with Revelation 16 the description of the Vial Judgments is taken up giving the results "on Earth", (very important), of the sounding of the Seventh Trumpet. These Vial Judgments are then continuous from Revelation 16:1 through Revelation 18:24, which issues in the Revelation of the LORD Jesus Christ, from Heaven in power and great Glory as we then see in Revelation 19.

So, with all of that said, The Seals, which we find in The Book of Revelation from 5:1 thru 8:6, based on the events resulting from the breaking of the sixth seal in Revelation 6:12, are a SUMMARY of ALL the Divine judgments which will usher in the Day of the LORD. That includes the whole of "The Tribulation," and then leading up to the End, those last "seven years", "the great day of His wrath."

Therefore, The Seals cover the WHOLE period in broad outline.

Phew...got that?
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# jmerrick67 2011-04-02 07:17
Yes Brother David, thank you for your explanation, it helped me alot!
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# jmerrick67 2011-04-02 10:23
I am struggling with an issue of timing again. This one involves the three Woes. The first Woe begins in Rev. 9:1, and the "star falling from heaven" is supposed to be Satan falling as a result of the war in Heaven. Yet the third Woe is supposed to be Satan's casting out, and these woes are supposed to be subsequent! Is the star in verse 1 not Satan? If not Satan, then what is going on in verse 1? This star seems to be an angel who is cast down rather than one who simply goes down on God's orders to unlock the Abyss. If you can help me clear this up I would be greatly appreciative!
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# PastorDavid 2011-04-02 17:33
Ok do this, Give me the WOE and the Scripture that it lines up with. No descriptions. Just the WOE and the Verses.
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# jmerrick67 2011-04-02 18:24
OK, First Woe - Rev. 9:1 - 12

second Woe - Rev. 9:13 - 21

third Woe - Rev. 12:10 - 12
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# PastorDavid 2011-04-02 18:38
Ahh, well there is your problem. You are including the parenthetical episode of Revelation 12:10-12 in the order of the Woe's.
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# jmerrick67 2011-04-02 18:42
Yes, but it refers to Satan's fall! thats the problem LOL
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# jmerrick67 2011-04-02 18:44
it seems the third woe is just a repeat of the first when they are supposed to be subsequent, its onfusing
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# PastorDavid 2011-04-02 18:44
You have to apply what you learned yesterday about hyperbaton.
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# jmerrick67 2011-04-02 18:53
Here's what B says about the third woe:

"When Satan is cast down, "he hath but a short time," which is definitely stated to be 3 1/2 years, during
which he is wroth with the woman, and makes war with the remnant of her seed (xii. 14-17).
This "Woe" is the last of a series of three (viii. 13); and must, therefore, be subsequent to the first two,
which at this stage will have passed (xi. 14). The third is proclaimed in chap. xii. 12, and consists of the
casting out of Satan."

Do you see my problem? I dont know how to apply what I learned about hyperbaton to this.
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# PastorDavid 2011-04-02 19:00
The third Woe is PROCLAIMED in Revelation 12:12, but it is IMPOSSIBLE for it to have happened there as Revelation .12-15 is a filling in of the details of what has been happening previously.

Let's say I was telling you a story....

I left my house and headed down to the corner to buy a newspaper. I arrived at the Newspaper stand, and picked up that magazine I was after.

(I met a friend of mine who told me that a great article on the new IE9 browser was in the latest edition of PC World magazine.)

From there I went to the corner diner and ordered some eggs and bacon. I enjoyed my eggs and bacon while I read my magazine that I had just bought.

OK...

Do you get it now?
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# SonShine 2011-04-02 19:05
Terrific analogy, Pastor David! I'm storing this one away for future use! :-)
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# PastorDavid 2011-04-02 19:09
Even better would be this:

"I left my house and headed down to the corner to buy a newspaper. I arrived at the Newspaper stand, and picked up that magazine I was after.

From there I went to the corner diner and ordered some eggs and bacon. I enjoyed my eggs and bacon while I read my magazine that I had just bought.

(I met a friend of mine who told me that a great article on the new IE9 browser was in the latest edition of PC World magazine.)

I then went back home to download the new IE9."


So while it APPEARS that I ran into a friend AFTER I went to the diner, the PARENTHETICAL episode happened just after I left my house, influencing me to NOT buy the newspaper but buy the magazine.

Is everyone clear now?
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# jmerrick67 2011-04-02 19:12
OK I think I get it. See what you think about this:

first woe = release of Abaddon and his demon army

second woe = the horsemen and the two witnesses

third woe = the loud voice in heaven (proclaiming about what happened prior to the first woe, Satan's fall)

Is this right?
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# PastorDavid 2011-04-02 19:13
Closer...lol
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# jmerrick67 2011-04-02 19:17
ok where am I missing the boat here?
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# PastorDavid 2011-04-02 19:19
But Brother...If I just tell you, what good will that do. Come on DIG. And, I have to add, I am praising the LORD as to how He is enlightening your understanding to these things!
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# jmerrick67 2011-04-02 19:22
OK, I will work on it. For now I have to go to bed and get ready for church. Thank you for the help and have a great night! I'll get this figured out eventually LOL (you-know-who is probably rolling his eyes at me again LOL)
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# PastorDavid 2011-04-02 19:30
Have a good night Brother, and you as well Sister Terri. Tomorrow we will continue!

Have a good night Brother, and you as well Sister Terri. Tomorrow we will continue, LORD willing!

Have a good night Brother, and you as well Sister Terri. Tomorrow we will continue, LORD willing!
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# jmerrick67 2011-04-03 17:31
Well, I've studied it out and reached a conclusion. In the matter of the third woe, Bullinger was either wrong, or just expressed himself badly. I'll re-quote what he said -

"When Satan is cast down, "he hath but a short time," which is definitely stated to be 3 1/2 years, during
which he is wroth with the woman, and makes war with the remnant of her seed (xii. 14-17).
This "Woe" is the last of a series of three (viii. 13); and must, therefore, be subsequent to the first two,
which at this stage will have passed (xi. 14). The third is proclaimed in chap. xii. 12, and consists of the
casting out of Satan."


Here are the first two Woes:

1. The Fifth Trumpet - The release of Abaddon and his horde of demonic "locusts" who are given the power to hurt (but not kill) those who do not have the seal of God in their foreheads.
Rev. 9:1-12 (verse 1 is Satan having been cast out,(the greek is "having fallen" past tense) so if the third woe is Satan BEING cast out, it cannot happen prior to this woe.)

Rev 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
(the Bible affirms the subsequence of the woes.)


2.The sixth trumpet is blown, releasing four angels(fallen) and an army of two hundred million demonic horsemen who are given the power to kill one-third of humanity. Rev. 9:
13 - 21

Also included in the second woe (and the sixth trumpet) is the seven thundering voices, and the death, resurrection, and ascension of the Two Witnesses (who have been on the earth since the beginning of 7 year tribulation) and also a great earthquake that causes a tenth part of Jerusalem to fall, and seven thousand people are killed. Rev. 10:1 - 11:14

Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Clearly all three woes are subsequent and the third does not occur prior to the first (or it would BE the first.)

The Third Woe is mentioned here -

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Now, as the first two woes are connected to the 5th and 6th trumpets, it only makes sense that the Third Woe would correspond to the 7 trumpet which is mentioned in Rev. 11:15 - 19 and picks up again in Rev. 16:1

Revelation ch. 12 - 15 are parenthetical. This section describes things from before Rev. 6 and brings us up to the seventh trumpet.

The major events that happen as a result of Satan's fall, yet is subsequent to the first two woes is the indwelling of the antichrist by Abbadon. This superhuman stage of the antichrist is described in Rev. 13:1 - 10. This happens after his deadly wound is healed. The next one is the Abomination of desolation.

In Rev. 13:5 it says he continues for forty two months, which is the same amount of time which is after the abomination of desolation in Dan. 9 :27

The Abomination of desolation is the third woe!

Consider these 2 verses together:

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (this is the antichrist in his superhuman stage at the time of the abomination of desolation)

So we see the abomination of desolation is the third woe, the three woes are indeed subsequent as the Bible says, and is NOT an example of hysterologia, as the abomination does NOT happen prior to the first two woes.

CORRECTION: Rev.13:7 applies to the fallen angel indwelling the antichrist not to the antichrist himself. This being is the "him" to which the dragon gave his power and authority in Rev. 13:2. Read Rev. 17:8 carefully and note that the beast there ascends out of the bottomless pit, something that his "human container" obviously can not do. In a sense this distinction may not seem to matter, as the angel and his human "container" are united by virtue of the indwelling, but remember that in this case the personality, ego, desires, attitude, and will belong to the angel, not to his container. Anyone interacting with the antichrist at this point is really interacting with that angel, as the human soul of the antichrist is basically just "along for the ride" once he becomes indwelt.

This still goes with Rev. 12:12 since Satan gives him his power and authority, when he wars with the saints he is acting as Satan's agent. Thus, the third woe.

Grace and Peace
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# PastorDavid 2011-04-03 18:33
Dear Brother Jim, ok let's go through this.

Revelation 8:13 says, "And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth BY REASON of the other voices of the trumpet of THE THREE ANGELS, which are YET to sound!"

Therefore we know RIGHT AWAY that the three WOES are directly connected to the following three TRUMPETS. Notice that these three Trumpets are Judgments even worse..."WOES", and are in NO WAY connected to the Rapture of the Body of Christ as some feloniously teach.

Now...

The Fifth Trumpet sounds, and Revelation 9 details what is unleashed by the sounding of GOD's Fifth Trumpet. (I want to emphasize that the WOES are from GOD, and not from some treacherous act of Satan). At the end of Revelation 9, Revelation 9:12 says, "One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter."

The Sixth Trumpet sounds, and we are then given the details and some back story of what that Trumpet unleashed, by Revelation 11:14 after the great earthquake, we are told the Second WOE has passed...AND...the THIRD WOE cometh quickly.

And so it does, in the very next verse, The Seventh Trumpet sounds, and the proclamation is made, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." What ALL of Heaven has been waiting for has arrived. When the LORD Jesus Christ sacrificed Himself on the Cross, he not only paid our debt, but defeated and crushed ALL of His enemies. The Verdict was arrived at, and the Order for Judgment handed down...but NOW...here with the Seventh Trumpet of God sounding, has arrived the moment of the EXECUTION of that Judgment. THIS IS THE THIRD WOE! The WOE of WOES, if you will.

All of Heaven is rejoicing! Revelation 11:18 tells us, "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

However, in the narrative, it is at this very point, at the end of Revelation 11, that the Holy Spirit STOPS in order to go back and then fill in UP TO THE PRESENT, the details and give us the reasons FOR this Great Judgment, the Day when God's Wrath is poured out. And in Revelation 16, the narrative picks up again, and we see God's Wrath poured out.

So there you have it....

Grace be to you and peace, from God: our Father, and The LORD Jesus Christ.

Pastor David Picos
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# jmerrick67 2011-04-03 19:44
OK, I see what youre saying about the woes coming from God. So the third woe is all the judgements of the 3 1/2 year great tribulation? That makes sense. I was going to edit my post to change the third woe from being the abomination to being the indwelling of the beast and what results from that, but considering where the third woe is mentioned, I can see your point.
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# PastorDavid 2011-04-03 19:59
Dear Brother Jim, I am PRAISING THE LORD again for how He is increasing your understanding of these things.

Grace be to you and peace, from God: our Father, and The LORD Jesus Christ.

Pastor David
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# jmerrick67 2011-04-03 20:01
Well, I gave it a good try LOL. That distinction between the antichrist and the fallen angel that indwells him caught me by surprise though! I almost missed that, but I happened to be using my companion bible and read the margin for Rev. 13:2 for the word "him" WOW!

Its the fallen angel that Satan empowers! Boy Satan is real quick to give up authority, eh? first to Jesus in the temptations, then to the fallen angel. hmmm....

Why wouldnt Satan indwell this human himself as opposed to having a lieutenant do it? Doenst he want worship and power for himself?
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# PastorDavid 2011-04-03 20:09
Sure Satan wants worship, but far more than that he wants to be God. So Satan sets up his own "trinity"
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# jmerrick67 2011-04-03 20:09
Brother David, believe it or not, this 3 woes issue kept me up most of the night! When a Bible study point becomes an issue for me, Im like a dog trying to get every last bit of meat off of a bone LOL. Its funny how the simplest, most obvious things can tie us up in knots, huh? Then once its explained to us, we slap our heads and say "why didnt I see that?" LOL
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